The thing about 'not all men' is it's something men bark at people who are lashing out at the group that's hurting them. Trying to separate themselves and remove any affiliation.
All it does is tell those people to shut up while doing nothing to change the structures that allow toxic masculinity to continue that original victimisation. Step in and tell fellow men to stop, that it's not ok, instead of telling people, especially women, you're not like the others so how dare we get angry about it.
If I'm annoyed because of the ill behaviour of numerous men in a way that's something I have been subjected to for years upon years, you going 'well that's unfair, I'M not like that' does nothing, you've just made it about you when, if you're not like that, it's not about you in the first place.
It's like insisting you get a cookie for not being a dickhead.
@sophia reminds me of r/niceguys
@sophia definitely r/niceguys :P
(I'd still like a cookie though... Okay nevermind)
@sophia I'm not at all surprised you posted to call this out and then someone immediately went and did it anyway
@flussence the predictably is borderline hilarious
Officially in love with this post. You have absolutely nailed jt here.
@AudreyJune it annoys me so much. The amount of harassment men dish out, around other men, and no one steps in. No one has a word with a mate going too far, it's always excuses and it's 'oh he's just a bit forward' but you make a remark about men? Boy are they there to make sure you know they're innocent 😬
@AudreyJune also the not all men reply was fucking delicious 🙃
@ThatWallflower this is so relatable & it's always bothered the shit outta me! the way men compartmentalize their garbage so they can ~act~ decent around women is creepy af.... it's kinda too much to unpack
@ScriptFanix what the absolute fuck is wrong with you
Every man profits from institutionalized sexism in one way or another, saying "notallmen" really just shows how little they understand about this society - and how badly they want to pretend their privilege doesn't exist so they don't have to face the fact that they are part of the problem.
I might just boost this every day.
How to trans men fit into this tho? Frequently they are the same targets and they don't magically start benefiting from the same system as cis men when they aren't seen by that system as "real men"
@sophia I won't make friends on this, but since you bring the topic, and say « you », I'll consider I can mansp… bring my point of view : can you consider that (a part of) those 'not-all-men' are poping, because they've been bullied themselve (or still are) by the very same dickheads ? And understand how being associated with its own oppressor can hurt ?
Man life is like « oppress » or « be oppressed » (and, yes, often both).
@Lanza as someone else being oppressed by them, I shouldn't have to take stock of every individuals circumstances in order to express my pain at being oppressed by a socially privileged group.
I'm white, a lot of friends who aren't express similar sentiments about white people. I've been hurt by white people too, but that doesn't make it their responsibility to coddle me over it.
@sophia I'll do as if I understood "coddle" correctly.
I really understand your point. I do not say they're right. I try to explain why they behave this way. (And why you won't get rid of them, they're legion…)
Thing is, "white" is not the main differenciating trait of people who hurts you, while they are for your non-white friends. You can easily differentiate from them.
«Man» is the main trait of harassed men's opressor. It's not "women", it's white fuck* cishet men. The very same as yours.
that's the issue with writing in stereotypes though; you might be talking about the trend of the group, but everyone reading it will think it's about them. (not proud of it, but I kinda feel like that as well)
@sophia this one went to hell... good lord
@realtoddhoward one guy gave a full THREE POST not all men
I stg what the fuck
@sophia saying anything negative about a cishet white man is like being responsible for the first scar a kid gets
@realtoddhoward it literally says in the post 'if you don't do it then it isn't about you' and so HMMMM yeah not looking great pals
@sophia lol this one wasn't even a fish hook
everything you said is all 100% correct and beautifully articulated ♥️
@kew I knew it was gonna happen the second I posted lmao
Thank you! It's a major bugbear of mine
@sophia HHAHAHHAHAA MEN ARE TRASH
@sophia I’m laughing because of all the white dudes coming into this post to specifically do what you clearly expressed you did not like and then complain about the response they get.
The gross insecurity they are trying to disguise with bravado and humor is both hilarious and sad.
@Are0h I like how they seem to talk as though I haven't heard their points 20 times over, too
@sophia Ha, I'm never not amused by how novel they believe themselves to be.
@Are0h the literal 'not all men' was fucking hilarious tho, fair play
@sophia It's gotta be intentional, which makes it worse in a lot of ways, but that's why it's funny. It's all they have.
@sophia men have never learned to bow out gracefully
hardly anyone handles being wrong well, but men… seem, special.
@sophia But seriously, I've not seen this explained more succinctly before and I'm glad that I have something to refer back to now if I ever forget why the "not all x" is not okay or if I have to point it out to someone
@brandon see and this is why you put up with the rest of my toots
@sophia shush you :P
sparkle sparkle, bitches